The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 22: A Tale of Two Turneys Part 2 Open Table with Nat Turney

My guest this episode is musician, worship leader, and pastor Nat Turney. Nat Turney serves as lead pastor of Open Table Fellowship church in San Angelo, Tx where he resides with his wife of 28 years, Kimberly. He is the father of four grown children and a Papa to two amazing grandsons. Nat is passionate […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 21: A Tale of Two Turneys Part One with “The Unpastor” Jon Turney

My guest in this episode is musician, worship leader, and “unpastor” Jon Turney. ¬†We talk about Jon’s upbringing in the Foursquare church, why he left the church, and the freak accident that led him back to faith. Don’t miss part two of this series featuring Jon’s brother, Nat Turney! You can follow Jon’s posts on […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 20: Holy Spirit with Andrew Parks

This episode of the podcast features writer and theologian Andrew Parks sharing his personal experience with the Person and work of the Holy Spirit. Does Holy Spirit fill only those who meet certain requirements? What is the purpose of this filling? What is the role of Holy Spirit in our lives? Is there a certain […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 19: Why Reconstruction Matters with Keith Giles

Our latest episode featuring an important conversation with Keith Giles on deconstruction church and reconstructing faith is now available by clicking here. As a companion resource to this episode, please check out Keith’s Patheos blog post on 4 Essential Elements of Reconstruction. I highly recommend Keith’s excellent book, “Jesus Unveiled: Forsaking Church As We Know […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 18: Staying in Church After Deconstruction with Doug Stewart

In this episode, I talk to TedX Presenter and Dale Carnagie Instructor Doug Stewart about his journey to a healthier faith and why he maintains his relationship with the church post deconstruction. Doug is the host of the thought provoking “I Am Not Your Pastor” podcast. Check it out wherever you listen to podcasts! Check […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 17: Experiencing Christ in Everyone with Dallas Verity

Episode 17 of the podcast is now available here. This episode features theologian and podcaster Dallas Verity discussing his fascinating life and learning to experience Christ in the most unlikely places. Dallas is a co-host of the Shipwreck Over Safety podcast which I highly recommend! You can connect with Dallas on Facebook and Instagram. You […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 15: Prodigals Like Us with Andrew Parks and Beau Hoffman

In this episode, I sit down for a round table conversation with Andrew Parks and Beau Hoffman discussing the nature of God as revealed in Jesus’ parable of the prodigal son. Andrew Parks is a writer and entrepreneur. You can follow him on Facebook and Twitter. Beau Hoffman is an attorney, and theologian. You can […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 14: Rethinking Heresy with Eric Howell

In this brief episode, “The Podcast Doctor” Eric Howell shares his journey of moving from fear of hell to faith in God’s love. The good news: This is, by far, the best produced episode of the show so far. The bad news: It’s less than 9 minutes long. You can find Eric and The Podcast […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 13: Dispersing Fear with Love

And now, for something completely different… In this solo episode, Jason discusses the high price of living out of fear, transitioning to a life centered on love, what Jesus meant when He talked about “hell”, and more. Jason Elam is a former pastor, aspiring author, and podcaster. He is Brandi’s grateful husband and proud dad […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]