The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 44: A New Reformation with Phil Drysdale

All the way from Manchester, England, Phil Drysdale joins us in episode 44 for an in depth conversation about his spiritual journey, his intense study of the current deconstruction moment that we’re in, how this new reformation started, and where it’s headed. Phil Drysdale helps people who are in the process of losing their faith […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 43: Oneness With God w/Kyle Butler

Episode 43 of the podcast features one of the most encouraging people I know-Kyle Butler! Listen here. Kyle got his start in ministry when he was just 13 years old. He was ordained at the age of 21. Five years later he was installed as the pastor of the church he grew up in. In […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 42: One Gay Man’s Journey with Seth Showalter

Episode 42 of the podcast features Licensed Clinical Social Worker Seth Showalter. Listen here! Seth is a co-host of the Fade to Gray Podcast and also runs a solo podcast called Mental. He comes from Southern Baptist roots and was headed into ministry until he realized he had same sex attraction. Seth has had an […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 39: The Jesus Purpose with Bill Thrasher

Episode 39 of the podcast features author and former pastor Bill Thrasher. Bill calls himself a uniquely ordinary guy. He’s a life taught academic and a warrior who is at peace. Through experience, study, and prayer, Bill has found an amazing outlook on life and its ultimate purpose. He has a burning desire to share […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]

Messy Conversations 004: Todd Vick Takes Off the Mask

My friend, Todd Vick, and I just had a wonderfully “messy conversation” about the dark side of local church ministry, learning to be transparent, experiencing Jesus in a mental health support group, and Todd’s upcoming book. You can listen to this episode here. You can find Todd Vick on Facebook. You can order Todd’s incredible […]

Messy Conversations 003: Two Ex Pastors Talk About Church with Karl Forehand

Recently, I had the chance to sit down for a raw, uncut conversation about the current state of the church with my friend, author, and former pastor Karl Forehand. We discuss the following: Is evangelism still a factor in light of our evolving theology? Is it possible to be addicted to church? Is there a […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 35: Shame Off You with Josh Roggie

Episode 35 of the podcast is now available featuring author and podcaster, Josh Roggie! Josh is a graduate of Southern New Hampshire University and Ozark Christian College with a Bachelor’s in Creative Writing and an Advanced Associate’s in Christian Ministry. He works an ordinary 9-5 in the telecommunications world while spending all of his other […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 32: “The Church We Dream Of” Part 2 with Fr. Kenneth Tanner

On this episode, we continue our series on our hopes and dreams for the future of the church with pastor, writer, and creative force of nature Father Kenneth Tanner. Fr. Kenneth is the pastor at Church of the Holy Redeemer, a charismatic Episcopal congregation in Rochester Hills, Michigan. In our conversation, we discuss his spiritual […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 31: The Church We Dream Of (Part 1) with Eden Jersak

We all know the dark side of modern church life. Many have been hurt by it and have disengaged from it altogether. In episode 31, we are kicking off a new series on what the church can be. I’m speaking with some deep thinkers and theologians about the church they dream of and discussing how […]