The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 49: Kingdom Community with PK Langley

Episode 49 features PK Langley. PK was a senior pastor who walked away from religion and learned how to love. She created over three hundred cartoons to express her journey of awakening and they are posted for free on langleytown.com. She works in the mental health field and is completing her master’s in mental health […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 48: Discovering Spiritual Direction with Chris Eaker

My guest in episode 48 is my friend, Chris Eaker. Chris is a husband, father, former engineer, academic librarian, musician, and spiritual director who lives in Knoxville, TN. He graduated from Georgia Tech in 2000 with a degree in civil engineering and in 2013 from the University of Tennessee with a degree in informational sciences. […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 45: No Regrets with David Meyers

Episode 45 of the podcast is now available featuring David Meyers. David is a father of 4 and has been married to his wife, Nicole, for 22 years. He is a touring musician turned pastor turned firefighter and is a singer/songwriter creating music with his band Of Light and Shadow whose music is featured in […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 44: A New Reformation with Phil Drysdale

All the way from Manchester, England, Phil Drysdale joins us in episode 44 for an in depth conversation about his spiritual journey, his intense study of the current deconstruction moment that we’re in, how this new reformation started, and where it’s headed. Phil Drysdale helps people who are in the process of losing their faith […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 43: Oneness With God w/Kyle Butler

Episode 43 of the podcast features one of the most encouraging people I know-Kyle Butler! Listen here. Kyle got his start in ministry when he was just 13 years old. He was ordained at the age of 21. Five years later he was installed as the pastor of the church he grew up in. In […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 42: One Gay Man’s Journey with Seth Showalter

Episode 42 of the podcast features Licensed Clinical Social Worker Seth Showalter. Listen here! Seth is a co-host of the Fade to Gray Podcast and also runs a solo podcast called Mental. He comes from Southern Baptist roots and was headed into ministry until he realized he had same sex attraction. Seth has had an […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 39: The Jesus Purpose with Bill Thrasher

Episode 39 of the podcast features author and former pastor Bill Thrasher. Bill calls himself a uniquely ordinary guy. He’s a life taught academic and a warrior who is at peace. Through experience, study, and prayer, Bill has found an amazing outlook on life and its ultimate purpose. He has a burning desire to share […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]

Messy Conversations 004: Todd Vick Takes Off the Mask

My friend, Todd Vick, and I just had a wonderfully “messy conversation” about the dark side of local church ministry, learning to be transparent, experiencing Jesus in a mental health support group, and Todd’s upcoming book. You can listen to this episode here. You can find Todd Vick on Facebook. You can order Todd’s incredible […]

Messy Conversations 003: Two Ex Pastors Talk About Church with Karl Forehand

Recently, I had the chance to sit down for a raw, uncut conversation about the current state of the church with my friend, author, and former pastor Karl Forehand. We discuss the following: Is evangelism still a factor in light of our evolving theology? Is it possible to be addicted to church? Is there a […]