The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 32: “The Church We Dream Of” Part 2 with Fr. Kenneth Tanner

On this episode, we continue our series on our hopes and dreams for the future of the church with pastor, writer, and creative force of nature Father Kenneth Tanner. Fr. Kenneth is the pastor at Church of the Holy Redeemer, a charismatic Episcopal congregation in Rochester Hills, Michigan. In our conversation, we discuss his spiritual […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 25: “The Redheaded Ragamuffin” with Michele Snyder

This episode features podcaster Michele Snyder. Michele is the host of “The Redheaded Ragamuffin” podcast. We talk about Michele’s journey escaping fundamentalism and learning to see God as a loving Father. You can find Michele’s website here. You can listen to Michele’s podcast here. Recent episodes feature bestselling authors Mary Demuth and Thomas Jay Oord. […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 24: “The God in My Closet” with Ben DeLong

In this episode I talk to Nazarene pastor and “There’s a God in My Closet” author, Ben DeLong. We talk about healing our destructive ideas about God and the damage they’ve done. You can learn more about Ben and his work on his website here. Purchase a copy of Ben’s powerful book here. You can […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 22: A Tale of Two Turneys Part 2 Open Table with Nat Turney

My guest this episode is musician, worship leader, and pastor Nat Turney. Nat Turney serves as lead pastor of Open Table Fellowship church in San Angelo, Tx where he resides with his wife of 28 years, Kimberly. He is the father of four grown children and a Papa to two amazing grandsons. Nat is passionate […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 21: A Tale of Two Turneys Part One with “The Unpastor” Jon Turney

My guest in this episode is musician, worship leader, and “unpastor” Jon Turney. ¬†We talk about Jon’s upbringing in the Foursquare church, why he left the church, and the freak accident that led him back to faith. Don’t miss part two of this series featuring Jon’s brother, Nat Turney! You can follow Jon’s posts on […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 18: Staying in Church After Deconstruction with Doug Stewart

In this episode, I talk to TedX Presenter and Dale Carnagie Instructor Doug Stewart about his journey to a healthier faith and why he maintains his relationship with the church post deconstruction. Doug is the host of the thought provoking “I Am Not Your Pastor” podcast. Check it out wherever you listen to podcasts! Check […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 17: Experiencing Christ in Everyone with Dallas Verity

Episode 17 of the podcast is now available here. This episode features theologian and podcaster Dallas Verity discussing his fascinating life and learning to experience Christ in the most unlikely places. Dallas is a co-host of the Shipwreck Over Safety podcast which I highly recommend! You can connect with Dallas on Facebook and Instagram. You […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 06: A Faith Worth Keeping with Brad Jersak

In this episode, I talk to author, theologian, and patristic scholar, Brad Jersak about hearing God, inner healing, a more beautiful gospel, the afterlife, finding community post deconstruction, areas where he struggles with Orthodox Church practice, and several books that he is currently working on-including a short story with “The Shack” author, William Paul Young. […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 03: From Inerrancy to Inspiration with Keith Giles

In Episode 03, we welcome back our first ever repeat guest, Jesus Unbound author Keith Giles, to discuss the journey from belief in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God to a belief that Jesus of Nazareth is the one and only Word of God. What does that mean for our faith? Where did […]