The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 47: Worthy of Love with Markus Watson

On episode 47, I speak with Markus Watson. Markus has been a Presbyterian pastor for almost twenty years. He currently serves as Interim Pastor of Westmorland Community Presbyterian Church in the small farming community of Westmorland, California. Markus is also the host of the Spiritual Life and Leadership podcast and is the author of Beyond […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 46: At the Intersection of Hope and Despair with Derrick Day

Episode 46 features a timely conversation with author, pastor, and hopeful theologian Derrick Day. Derrick Day literally wrote the book on Deconstructing Religion. He’s a long-time pastor, the host of the Love Forward podcast, and takes his message worldwide on social media via Derrick Day Multimedia. Derrick unpacks his spiritual journey for us and takes […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 45: No Regrets with David Meyers

Episode 45 of the podcast is now available featuring David Meyers. David is a father of 4 and has been married to his wife, Nicole, for 22 years. He is a touring musician turned pastor turned firefighter and is a singer/songwriter creating music with his band Of Light and Shadow whose music is featured in […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 44: A New Reformation with Phil Drysdale

All the way from Manchester, England, Phil Drysdale joins us in episode 44 for an in depth conversation about his spiritual journey, his intense study of the current deconstruction moment that we’re in, how this new reformation started, and where it’s headed. Phil Drysdale helps people who are in the process of losing their faith […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 43: Oneness With God w/Kyle Butler

Episode 43 of the podcast features one of the most encouraging people I know-Kyle Butler! Listen here. Kyle got his start in ministry when he was just 13 years old. He was ordained at the age of 21. Five years later he was installed as the pastor of the church he grew up in. In […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 42: One Gay Man’s Journey with Seth Showalter

Episode 42 of the podcast features Licensed Clinical Social Worker Seth Showalter. Listen here! Seth is a co-host of the Fade to Gray Podcast and also runs a solo podcast called Mental. He comes from Southern Baptist roots and was headed into ministry until he realized he had same sex attraction. Seth has had an […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 41: Moving Toward Contemplation with Eric Nevins

After a COVID-19 sabbatical, The Messy Spirituality Podcast is back with Episode 41 of the podcast featuring contemplative and podcaster Eric Nevins. Eric is the host of the Halfway There podcast and the founder of the Christian Podcasters Association. He is also a husband, father, and seminary graduate. I really enjoyed this conversation as we […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 40: Executing Jesus with Shane Claiborne

Episode 40 features a conversation with author, speaker, and activist Shane Claiborne. We discuss Shane’s spiritual background and the evolution of his faith as well as what drew him into the struggle to overturn the death penalty in the United States. You can listen to our conversation here. You can purchase Shane’s paradigm shifting book […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 39: The Jesus Purpose with Bill Thrasher

Episode 39 of the podcast features author and former pastor Bill Thrasher. Bill calls himself a uniquely ordinary guy. He’s a life taught academic and a warrior who is at peace. Through experience, study, and prayer, Bill has found an amazing outlook on life and its ultimate purpose. He has a burning desire to share […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]