The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 13: Dispersing Fear with Love

And now, for something completely different… In this solo episode, Jason discusses the high price of living out of fear, transitioning to a life centered on love, what Jesus meant when He talked about “hell”, and more. Jason Elam is a former pastor, aspiring author, and podcaster. He is Brandi’s grateful husband and proud dad […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 12: Finding My Voice with Hannah Johnson

In this episode we talk to worship leader, blogger, and social work student, Hannah Johnson, about her faith journey as a preacher’s kid, life in the fishbowl, how going to ministry school at one of the fastest growing churches in America turned out differently than she had expected, and how she started to discover her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 10: Out of the Shadows with Karl Forehand

In this episode, I speak to former pastor and author Karl Forehand about his journey out of the shadows of his false self and into the light, what he learned about God through his relationships with his own children, and about his forthcoming book, “Apparent Faith: What Fatherhood Taught Me About The Father’s Heart”, which […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 09: Renewing Your Mind with Todd Vick

In this episode, we talk to author and former pastor Todd Vick about what it means to renew our minds, who does the renewing, and what that process might look like post deconstruction. You can follow Todd on Facebook.

June 2019 Update

Hello, friends! Before I say anything else, I want to say thank you so much for all of your support and encouragement! Your love and belief that I have something to add to the world keeps me going. I am so grateful for each one of you! As many of you already know, the no […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 08: Reconciling Prayer with the Uncontrolling Love of God with Mark Karris

In this episode, we talk with pastor, author, and licensed marriage and family therapist Mark Karris about what prayer might look like post deconstruction. Mark shares about his tragic childhood, the uncontrolling love of God, and whether or not miracles fit into his understanding of prayer. During our conversation, Mark mentions an article he wrote […]

Revolution Church Sunday Message: Lost & Found

Once a month, we have a worship gathering for friends and family of The Hope Center that we call Revolution Church. Today, I actually remembered to hit the record button for the first time in nearly two years. So here is a rough audio recording of the message from today’s gathering in which we talk […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 06: A Faith Worth Keeping with Brad Jersak

In this episode, I talk to author, theologian, and patristic scholar, Brad Jersak about hearing God, inner healing, a more beautiful gospel, the afterlife, finding community post deconstruction, areas where he struggles with Orthodox Church practice, and several books that he is currently working on-including a short story with “The Shack” author, William Paul Young. […]