The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 19: Why Reconstruction Matters with Keith Giles

Our latest episode featuring an important conversation with Keith Giles on deconstruction church and reconstructing faith is now available by clicking here. As a companion resource to this episode, please check out Keith’s Patheos blog post on 4 Essential Elements of Reconstruction. I highly recommend Keith’s excellent book, “Jesus Unveiled: Forsaking Church As We Know […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 18: Staying in Church After Deconstruction with Doug Stewart

In this episode, I talk to TedX Presenter and Dale Carnagie Instructor Doug Stewart about his journey to a healthier faith and why he maintains his relationship with the church post deconstruction. Doug is the host of the thought provoking “I Am Not Your Pastor” podcast. Check it out wherever you listen to podcasts! Check […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 15: Prodigals Like Us with Andrew Parks and Beau Hoffman

In this episode, I sit down for a round table conversation with Andrew Parks and Beau Hoffman discussing the nature of God as revealed in Jesus’ parable of the prodigal son. Andrew Parks is a writer and entrepreneur. You can follow him on Facebook and Twitter. Beau Hoffman is an attorney, and theologian. You can […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 14: Rethinking Heresy with Eric Howell

In this brief episode, “The Podcast Doctor” Eric Howell shares his journey of moving from fear of hell to faith in God’s love. The good news: This is, by far, the best produced episode of the show so far. The bad news: It’s less than 9 minutes long. You can find Eric and The Podcast […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 13: Dispersing Fear with Love

And now, for something completely different… In this solo episode, Jason discusses the high price of living out of fear, transitioning to a life centered on love, what Jesus meant when He talked about “hell”, and more. Jason Elam is a former pastor, aspiring author, and podcaster. He is Brandi’s grateful husband and proud dad […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 12: Finding My Voice with Hannah Johnson

In this episode we talk to worship leader, blogger, and social work student, Hannah Johnson, about her faith journey as a preacher’s kid, life in the fishbowl, how going to ministry school at one of the fastest growing churches in America turned out differently than she had expected, and how she started to discover her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 10: Out of the Shadows with Karl Forehand

In this episode, I speak to former pastor and author Karl Forehand about his journey out of the shadows of his false self and into the light, what he learned about God through his relationships with his own children, and about his forthcoming book, “Apparent Faith: What Fatherhood Taught Me About The Father’s Heart”, which […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 09: Renewing Your Mind with Todd Vick

In this episode, we talk to author and former pastor Todd Vick about what it means to renew our minds, who does the renewing, and what that process might look like post deconstruction. You can follow Todd on Facebook.

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 08: Reconciling Prayer with the Uncontrolling Love of God with Mark Karris

In this episode, we talk with pastor, author, and licensed marriage and family therapist Mark Karris about what prayer might look like post deconstruction. Mark shares about his tragic childhood, the uncontrolling love of God, and whether or not miracles fit into his understanding of prayer. During our conversation, Mark mentions an article he wrote […]