The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 32: “The Church We Dream Of” Part 2 with Fr. Kenneth Tanner

On this episode, we continue our series on our hopes and dreams for the future of the church with pastor, writer, and creative force of nature Father Kenneth Tanner. Fr. Kenneth is the pastor at Church of the Holy Redeemer, a charismatic Episcopal congregation in Rochester Hills, Michigan. In our conversation, we discuss his spiritual […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 31: The Church We Dream Of (Part 1) with Eden Jersak

We all know the dark side of modern church life. Many have been hurt by it and have disengaged from it altogether. In episode 31, we are kicking off a new series on what the church can be. I’m speaking with some deep thinkers and theologians about the church they dream of and discussing how […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 29: Exploring the Heights and Depths of God’s Uncontrolling Love with Thomas Jay Oord

Episode 29 of the podcast features author and theologian Thomas Jay Oord. In this interview, we discuss his spiritual journey, his first exposure to God’s uncontrolling love, and the ramifications of a deity who refuses to control us and those around us. This is a theologically rich and thought provoking conversation full of meaning that […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 26: “Finding Sanctuary Within” with Meg Calvin

In this episode I speak to author and podcaster Meg Calvin about her faith journey, learning to recognize one’s own voice, finding peace within, and more. Meg’s wonderful book, “I Am My Own Sanctuary: How a Recovering Holy-Roller Found Healing and Power” is available this Friday by clicking here. You can get more info on […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 24: “The God in My Closet” with Ben DeLong

In this episode I talk to Nazarene pastor and “There’s a God in My Closet” author, Ben DeLong. We talk about healing our destructive ideas about God and the damage they’ve done. You can learn more about Ben and his work on his website here. Purchase a copy of Ben’s powerful book here. You can […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 23: Reckless Faith with Elaine and Cody Johnston

On this episode we’re joined by young business owners and podcasters Cody and Elaine Johnston. We discuss each of their spiritual journeys, how they met, entrepreneurship, their three podcasts, and much more. You’re going to love these two! Visit Elaine and Cody’s website here. You can follow Elaine’s blog here. You can follow The Prodigal […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 21: A Tale of Two Turneys Part One with “The Unpastor” Jon Turney

My guest in this episode is musician, worship leader, and “unpastor” Jon Turney. ¬†We talk about Jon’s upbringing in the Foursquare church, why he left the church, and the freak accident that led him back to faith. Don’t miss part two of this series featuring Jon’s brother, Nat Turney! You can follow Jon’s posts on […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 19: Why Reconstruction Matters with Keith Giles

Our latest episode featuring an important conversation with Keith Giles on deconstruction church and reconstructing faith is now available by clicking here. As a companion resource to this episode, please check out Keith’s Patheos blog post on 4 Essential Elements of Reconstruction. I highly recommend Keith’s excellent book, “Jesus Unveiled: Forsaking Church As We Know […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 12: Finding My Voice with Hannah Johnson

In this episode we talk to worship leader, blogger, and social work student, Hannah Johnson, about her faith journey as a preacher’s kid, life in the fishbowl, how going to ministry school at one of the fastest growing churches in America turned out differently than she had expected, and how she started to discover her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]