The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 39: The Jesus Purpose with Bill Thrasher

Episode 39 of the podcast features author and former pastor Bill Thrasher. Bill calls himself a uniquely ordinary guy. He’s a life taught academic and a warrior who is at peace. Through experience, study, and prayer, Bill has found an amazing outlook on life and its ultimate purpose. He has a burning desire to share […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]

Messy Conversations 003: Two Ex Pastors Talk About Church with Karl Forehand

Recently, I had the chance to sit down for a raw, uncut conversation about the current state of the church with my friend, author, and former pastor Karl Forehand. We discuss the following: Is evangelism still a factor in light of our evolving theology? Is it possible to be addicted to church? Is there a […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast, Episode 34: The Church We Dream Of, Part 4 with Derek Myers

This episode is the fourth installment of our “The Church We Dream Of” series about our collective hopes and dreams for the future of the church. My guest for this final conversation of this series is recording artist/songwriter Derek Myers. Derek is a Los Angeles native transplanted in Atlanta, GA with his wife, Rachel, and […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 33: The Church We Dream Of Part 3 with “Naked Pastor” David Hayward

In this episode, we continue our “The Church We Dream Of” series on our collective hopes and dreams for the future of the church. My guest for this third conversation of this series is prophetic artist “Naked Pastor” David Hayward. David has a Master’s Degree in Theological Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a diploma in […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 32: “The Church We Dream Of” Part 2 with Fr. Kenneth Tanner

On this episode, we continue our series on our hopes and dreams for the future of the church with pastor, writer, and creative force of nature Father Kenneth Tanner. Fr. Kenneth is the pastor at Church of the Holy Redeemer, a charismatic Episcopal congregation in Rochester Hills, Michigan. In our conversation, we discuss his spiritual […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 31: The Church We Dream Of (Part 1) with Eden Jersak

We all know the dark side of modern church life. Many have been hurt by it and have disengaged from it altogether. In episode 31, we are kicking off a new series on what the church can be. I’m speaking with some deep thinkers and theologians about the church they dream of and discussing how […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 29: Exploring the Heights and Depths of God’s Uncontrolling Love with Thomas Jay Oord

Episode 29 of the podcast features author and theologian Thomas Jay Oord. In this interview, we discuss his spiritual journey, his first exposure to God’s uncontrolling love, and the ramifications of a deity who refuses to control us and those around us. This is a theologically rich and thought provoking conversation full of meaning that […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 26: “Finding Sanctuary Within” with Meg Calvin

In this episode I speak to author and podcaster Meg Calvin about her faith journey, learning to recognize one’s own voice, finding peace within, and more. Meg’s wonderful book, “I Am My Own Sanctuary: How a Recovering Holy-Roller Found Healing and Power” is available this Friday by clicking here. You can get more info on […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 24: “The God in My Closet” with Ben DeLong

In this episode I talk to Nazarene pastor and “There’s a God in My Closet” author, Ben DeLong. We talk about healing our destructive ideas about God and the damage they’ve done. You can learn more about Ben and his work on his website here. Purchase a copy of Ben’s powerful book here. You can […]