The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 23: Reckless Faith with Elaine and Cody Johnston

On this episode we’re joined by young business owners and podcasters Cody and Elaine Johnston. We discuss each of their spiritual journeys, how they met, entrepreneurship, their three podcasts, and much more. You’re going to love these two! Visit Elaine and Cody’s website here. You can follow Elaine’s blog here. You can follow The Prodigal […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 21: A Tale of Two Turneys Part One with “The Unpastor” Jon Turney

My guest in this episode is musician, worship leader, and “unpastor” Jon Turney.  We talk about Jon’s upbringing in the Foursquare church, why he left the church, and the freak accident that led him back to faith. Don’t miss part two of this series featuring Jon’s brother, Nat Turney! You can follow Jon’s posts on […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 19: Why Reconstruction Matters with Keith Giles

Our latest episode featuring an important conversation with Keith Giles on deconstruction church and reconstructing faith is now available by clicking here. As a companion resource to this episode, please check out Keith’s Patheos blog post on 4 Essential Elements of Reconstruction. I highly recommend Keith’s excellent book, “Jesus Unveiled: Forsaking Church As We Know […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 12: Finding My Voice with Hannah Johnson

In this episode we talk to worship leader, blogger, and social work student, Hannah Johnson, about her faith journey as a preacher’s kid, life in the fishbowl, how going to ministry school at one of the fastest growing churches in America turned out differently than she had expected, and how she started to discover her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 10: Out of the Shadows with Karl Forehand

In this episode, I speak to former pastor and author Karl Forehand about his journey out of the shadows of his false self and into the light, what he learned about God through his relationships with his own children, and about his forthcoming book, “Apparent Faith: What Fatherhood Taught Me About The Father’s Heart”, which […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 04: Reconstructing Evangelicalism with Beau Hoffman

In this episode, I talk to friend and fellow spiritual seeker Beau Hoffman about navigating the shifting sands of deconstruction, following Jesus into reconstruction, and what it means to be evangelical today. Beau is a voice worth following on social media. You can find him on Facebook and Instagram.

Not That Kind of Pastor

I’m not what most people would consider a “real” pastor. I have no desire to manage the faith or spirituality of anyone else. I trust the Holy Spirit to do that. I have no desire to “grow a church” or oversee countless programs or committees. Real discipleship doesn’t seem to happen in a classroom. I […]