The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 47: Worthy of Love with Markus Watson

On episode 47, I speak with Markus Watson. Markus has been a Presbyterian pastor for almost twenty years. He currently serves as Interim Pastor of Westmorland Community Presbyterian Church in the small farming community of Westmorland, California. Markus is also the host of the Spiritual Life and Leadership podcast and is the author of Beyond […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 45: No Regrets with David Meyers

Episode 45 of the podcast is now available featuring David Meyers. David is a father of 4 and has been married to his wife, Nicole, for 22 years. He is a touring musician turned pastor turned firefighter and is a singer/songwriter creating music with his band Of Light and Shadow whose music is featured in […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 43: Oneness With God w/Kyle Butler

Episode 43 of the podcast features one of the most encouraging people I know-Kyle Butler! Listen here. Kyle got his start in ministry when he was just 13 years old. He was ordained at the age of 21. Five years later he was installed as the pastor of the church he grew up in. In […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Special Episode: Healing Life’s Wounds

In this special episode, I provide a quick podcast update and describe a recent experience that I found helpful in healing the wounds of life. I was recently a guest on Todd Vick’s very first episode of The Reconstruction Rebel podcast. You can hear that interview here. This week, I was a guest on Eric […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 42: One Gay Man’s Journey with Seth Showalter

Episode 42 of the podcast features Licensed Clinical Social Worker Seth Showalter. Listen here! Seth is a co-host of the Fade to Gray Podcast and also runs a solo podcast called Mental. He comes from Southern Baptist roots and was headed into ministry until he realized he had same sex attraction. Seth has had an […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 39: The Jesus Purpose with Bill Thrasher

Episode 39 of the podcast features author and former pastor Bill Thrasher. Bill calls himself a uniquely ordinary guy. He’s a life taught academic and a warrior who is at peace. Through experience, study, and prayer, Bill has found an amazing outlook on life and its ultimate purpose. He has a burning desire to share […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]

Messy Conversations 003: Two Ex Pastors Talk About Church with Karl Forehand

Recently, I had the chance to sit down for a raw, uncut conversation about the current state of the church with my friend, author, and former pastor Karl Forehand. We discuss the following: Is evangelism still a factor in light of our evolving theology? Is it possible to be addicted to church? Is there a […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast, Episode 34: The Church We Dream Of, Part 4 with Derek Myers

This episode is the fourth installment of our “The Church We Dream Of” series about our collective hopes and dreams for the future of the church. My guest for this final conversation of this series is recording artist/songwriter Derek Myers. Derek is a Los Angeles native transplanted in Atlanta, GA with his wife, Rachel, and […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 33: The Church We Dream Of Part 3 with “Naked Pastor” David Hayward

In this episode, we continue our “The Church We Dream Of” series on our collective hopes and dreams for the future of the church. My guest for this third conversation of this series is prophetic artist “Naked Pastor” David Hayward. David has a Master’s Degree in Theological Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a diploma in […]