The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 44: A New Reformation with Phil Drysdale

All the way from Manchester, England, Phil Drysdale joins us in episode 44 for an in depth conversation about his spiritual journey, his intense study of the current deconstruction moment that we’re in, how this new reformation started, and where it’s headed. Phil Drysdale helps people who are in the process of losing their faith […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 42: One Gay Man’s Journey with Seth Showalter

Episode 42 of the podcast features Licensed Clinical Social Worker Seth Showalter. Listen here! Seth is a co-host of the Fade to Gray Podcast and also runs a solo podcast called Mental. He comes from Southern Baptist roots and was headed into ministry until he realized he had same sex attraction. Seth has had an […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 41: Moving Toward Contemplation with Eric Nevins

After a COVID-19 sabbatical, The Messy Spirituality Podcast is back with Episode 41 of the podcast featuring contemplative and podcaster Eric Nevins. Eric is the host of the Halfway There podcast and the founder of the Christian Podcasters Association. He is also a husband, father, and seminary graduate. I really enjoyed this conversation as we […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 37: One Ragamuffin’s Journey with Chris Harman

Episode 37 of the podcast featuring writer, podcaster, and hopeful theologian Chris Harman is now available here. Chris is a Southern California boy living life in the low country of Charleston South Carolina with his wife Abby and his boxer Jaxon. A husband, bible student, film buff and hopeful theologian Chris loves fast paced theological […]

Messy Conversations 003: Two Ex Pastors Talk About Church with Karl Forehand

Recently, I had the chance to sit down for a raw, uncut conversation about the current state of the church with my friend, author, and former pastor Karl Forehand. We discuss the following: Is evangelism still a factor in light of our evolving theology? Is it possible to be addicted to church? Is there a […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 31: The Church We Dream Of (Part 1) with Eden Jersak

We all know the dark side of modern church life. Many have been hurt by it and have disengaged from it altogether. In episode 31, we are kicking off a new series on what the church can be. I’m speaking with some deep thinkers and theologians about the church they dream of and discussing how […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 29: Exploring the Heights and Depths of God’s Uncontrolling Love with Thomas Jay Oord

Episode 29 of the podcast features author and theologian Thomas Jay Oord. In this interview, we discuss his spiritual journey, his first exposure to God’s uncontrolling love, and the ramifications of a deity who refuses to control us and those around us. This is a theologically rich and thought provoking conversation full of meaning that […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 25: “The Redheaded Ragamuffin” with Michele Snyder

This episode features podcaster Michele Snyder. Michele is the host of “The Redheaded Ragamuffin” podcast. We talk about Michele’s journey escaping fundamentalism and learning to see God as a loving Father. You can find Michele’s website here. You can listen to Michele’s podcast here. Recent episodes feature bestselling authors Mary Demuth and Thomas Jay Oord. […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 23: Reckless Faith with Elaine and Cody Johnston

On this episode we’re joined by young business owners and podcasters Cody and Elaine Johnston. We discuss each of their spiritual journeys, how they met, entrepreneurship, their three podcasts, and much more. You’re going to love these two! Visit Elaine and Cody’s website here. You can follow Elaine’s blog here. You can follow The Prodigal […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 22: A Tale of Two Turneys Part 2 Open Table with Nat Turney

My guest this episode is musician, worship leader, and pastor Nat Turney. Nat Turney serves as lead pastor of Open Table Fellowship church in San Angelo, Tx where he resides with his wife of 28 years, Kimberly. He is the father of four grown children and a Papa to two amazing grandsons. Nat is passionate […]