The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 47: Worthy of Love with Markus Watson

On episode 47, I speak with Markus Watson. Markus has been a Presbyterian pastor for almost twenty years. He currently serves as Interim Pastor of Westmorland Community Presbyterian Church in the small farming community of Westmorland, California. Markus is also the host of the Spiritual Life and Leadership podcast and is the author of Beyond […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 44: A New Reformation with Phil Drysdale

All the way from Manchester, England, Phil Drysdale joins us in episode 44 for an in depth conversation about his spiritual journey, his intense study of the current deconstruction moment that we’re in, how this new reformation started, and where it’s headed. Phil Drysdale helps people who are in the process of losing their faith […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 31: The Church We Dream Of (Part 1) with Eden Jersak

We all know the dark side of modern church life. Many have been hurt by it and have disengaged from it altogether. In episode 31, we are kicking off a new series on what the church can be. I’m speaking with some deep thinkers and theologians about the church they dream of and discussing how […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 22: A Tale of Two Turneys Part 2 Open Table with Nat Turney

My guest this episode is musician, worship leader, and pastor Nat Turney. Nat Turney serves as lead pastor of Open Table Fellowship church in San Angelo, Tx where he resides with his wife of 28 years, Kimberly. He is the father of four grown children and a Papa to two amazing grandsons. Nat is passionate […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 10: Out of the Shadows with Karl Forehand

In this episode, I speak to former pastor and author Karl Forehand about his journey out of the shadows of his false self and into the light, what he learned about God through his relationships with his own children, and about his forthcoming book, “Apparent Faith: What Fatherhood Taught Me About The Father’s Heart”, which […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 09: Renewing Your Mind with Todd Vick

In this episode, we talk to author and former pastor Todd Vick about what it means to renew our minds, who does the renewing, and what that process might look like post deconstruction. You can follow Todd on Facebook.

June 2019 Update

Hello, friends! Before I say anything else, I want to say thank you so much for all of your support and encouragement! Your love and belief that I have something to add to the world keeps me going. I am so grateful for each one of you! As many of you already know, the no […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 08: Reconciling Prayer with the Uncontrolling Love of God with Mark Karris

In this episode, we talk with pastor, author, and licensed marriage and family therapist Mark Karris about what prayer might look like post deconstruction. Mark shares about his tragic childhood, the uncontrolling love of God, and whether or not miracles fit into his understanding of prayer. During our conversation, Mark mentions an article he wrote […]