The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 45: No Regrets with David Meyers

Episode 45 of the podcast is now available featuring David Meyers. David is a father of 4 and has been married to his wife, Nicole, for 22 years. He is a touring musician turned pastor turned firefighter and is a singer/songwriter creating music with his band Of Light and Shadow whose music is featured in […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 43: Oneness With God w/Kyle Butler

Episode 43 of the podcast features one of the most encouraging people I know-Kyle Butler! Listen here. Kyle got his start in ministry when he was just 13 years old. He was ordained at the age of 21. Five years later he was installed as the pastor of the church he grew up in. In […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 24: “The God in My Closet” with Ben DeLong

In this episode I talk to Nazarene pastor and “There’s a God in My Closet” author, Ben DeLong. We talk about healing our destructive ideas about God and the damage they’ve done. You can learn more about Ben and his work on his website here. Purchase a copy of Ben’s powerful book here. You can […]

Not That Kind of Pastor

I’m not what most people would consider a “real” pastor. I have no desire to manage the faith or spirituality of anyone else. I trust the Holy Spirit to do that. I have no desire to “grow a church” or oversee countless programs or committees. Real discipleship doesn’t seem to happen in a classroom. I […]