The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 39: The Jesus Purpose with Bill Thrasher

Episode 39 of the podcast features author and former pastor Bill Thrasher. Bill calls himself a uniquely ordinary guy. He’s a life taught academic and a warrior who is at peace. Through experience, study, and prayer, Bill has found an amazing outlook on life and its ultimate purpose. He has a burning desire to share […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 38: The Psychology of Deconstruction with Michelle Collins

Episode 38 of the podcast features a conversation with Michelle Collins, soon-to-be Quoir author and the host of the podcast “Book Ish: The Canon Continues”. We discuss Michelle’s spiritual journey, being part of the church’s inner circle of leadership, and what it’s like when your pastor/best friend tells you to leave your church. We talk […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 37: One Ragamuffin’s Journey with Chris Harman

Episode 37 of the podcast featuring writer, podcaster, and hopeful theologian Chris Harman is now available here. Chris is a Southern California boy living life in the low country of Charleston South Carolina with his wife Abby and his boxer Jaxon. A husband, bible student, film buff and hopeful theologian Chris loves fast paced theological […]

Messy Conversations 003: Two Ex Pastors Talk About Church with Karl Forehand

Recently, I had the chance to sit down for a raw, uncut conversation about the current state of the church with my friend, author, and former pastor Karl Forehand. We discuss the following: Is evangelism still a factor in light of our evolving theology? Is it possible to be addicted to church? Is there a […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 35: Shame Off You with Josh Roggie

Episode 35 of the podcast is now available featuring author and podcaster, Josh Roggie! Josh is a graduate of Southern New Hampshire University and Ozark Christian College with a Bachelor’s in Creative Writing and an Advanced Associate’s in Christian Ministry. He works an ordinary 9-5 in the telecommunications world while spending all of his other […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 33: The Church We Dream Of Part 3 with “Naked Pastor” David Hayward

In this episode, we continue our “The Church We Dream Of” series on our collective hopes and dreams for the future of the church. My guest for this third conversation of this series is prophetic artist “Naked Pastor” David Hayward. David has a Master’s Degree in Theological Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a diploma in […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 19: Why Reconstruction Matters with Keith Giles

Our latest episode featuring an important conversation with Keith Giles on deconstruction church and reconstructing faith is now available by clicking here. As a companion resource to this episode, please check out Keith’s Patheos blog post on 4 Essential Elements of Reconstruction. I highly recommend Keith’s excellent book, “Jesus Unveiled: Forsaking Church As We Know […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 11: Love Heretic with Wendy Francisco

Our guest on this episode is the wonderfully transparent Wendy Francisco. As a singer and songwriter, Wendy has traveled the world performing concerts and, for many years, was very much a part of American evangelical culture. As she began to question long-held beliefs, she shared what she was learning and a community grew around her […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 09: Renewing Your Mind with Todd Vick

In this episode, we talk to author and former pastor Todd Vick about what it means to renew our minds, who does the renewing, and what that process might look like post deconstruction. You can follow Todd on Facebook.

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 08: Reconciling Prayer with the Uncontrolling Love of God with Mark Karris

In this episode, we talk with pastor, author, and licensed marriage and family therapist Mark Karris about what prayer might look like post deconstruction. Mark shares about his tragic childhood, the uncontrolling love of God, and whether or not miracles fit into his understanding of prayer. During our conversation, Mark mentions an article he wrote […]