The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 22: A Tale of Two Turneys Part 2 Open Table with Nat Turney

My guest this episode is musician, worship leader, and pastor Nat Turney. Nat Turney serves as lead pastor of Open Table Fellowship church in San Angelo, Tx where he resides with his wife of 28 years, Kimberly. He is the father of four grown children and a Papa to two amazing grandsons. Nat is passionate […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 18: Staying in Church After Deconstruction with Doug Stewart

In this episode, I talk to TedX Presenter and Dale Carnagie Instructor Doug Stewart about his journey to a healthier faith and why he maintains his relationship with the church post deconstruction. Doug is the host of the thought provoking “I Am Not Your Pastor” podcast. Check it out wherever you listen to podcasts! Check […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 17: Experiencing Christ in Everyone with Dallas Verity

Episode 17 of the podcast is now available here. This episode features theologian and podcaster Dallas Verity discussing his fascinating life and learning to experience Christ in the most unlikely places. Dallas is a co-host of the Shipwreck Over Safety podcast which I highly recommend! You can connect with Dallas on Facebook and Instagram. You […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 10: Out of the Shadows with Karl Forehand

In this episode, I speak to former pastor and author Karl Forehand about his journey out of the shadows of his false self and into the light, what he learned about God through his relationships with his own children, and about his forthcoming book, “Apparent Faith: What Fatherhood Taught Me About The Father’s Heart”, which […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 09: Renewing Your Mind with Todd Vick

In this episode, we talk to author and former pastor Todd Vick about what it means to renew our minds, who does the renewing, and what that process might look like post deconstruction. You can follow Todd on Facebook.

Revolution Church Sunday Message: Lost & Found

Once a month, we have a worship gathering for friends and family of The Hope Center that we call Revolution Church. Today, I actually remembered to hit the record button for the first time in nearly two years. So here is a rough audio recording of the message from today’s gathering in which we talk […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 05:Understanding Mimetic Theory with Matthew J. Distefano

In this episode of the podcast, we explore Rene’ Girard’s paradigm shifting mimetic theory with author and podcaster Matthew J. Distefano. I asked Matthew to give us a very high level view for people, like me, who have struggled to grasp the concept and its’ implications in our life. We also get in to the […]

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 04: Reconstructing Evangelicalism with Beau Hoffman

In this episode, I talk to friend and fellow spiritual seeker Beau Hoffman about navigating the shifting sands of deconstruction, following Jesus into reconstruction, and what it means to be evangelical today. Beau is a voice worth following on social media. You can find him on Facebook and Instagram.

The Messy Spirituality Podcast-Episode 02: Living for a Living with Jamal Jivanjee

In this episode, we speak with author, podcaster, and life coach, Jamal Jivanjee, about moving from an economy of scarcity to an economy of love and service. We’re excited for you to listen to this episode and would love to read your thoughts in the comments below. Jamal’s latest book is Living for a Living. […]